The ladies from Jezebel, Moe and Tracie, were on Lizz Winstead’s Thinking and Drinking a few days ago, and crap - what a total shitshow. These are two women who regularly manage to combine wit, intelligence, and occasionally feminist-lite thought into their writing. So, y’know, you’d expect any way to get a semblance of feminism “out there” would be appreciated. Not so.
The two women, apparently tanked off their asses, decided to regale the audience with edgy “jokes” and commentary about rape. Now, I’m not one to say that you can never joke about such a serious topic (in fact, sometimes it makes it easier to joke about it), but while these bon mots may have been intended to be funny, they totally were anything but.
Moe on why she didn’t report her rapist:
Moe: “I guess the third guy, I ever had sex with, date raped me, and I got very mad at him, but I wasn’t gonna fucking like turn him in to the police and fucking go through shit..
Lizz interrupts: “Why not, you see that’s the problem, why not, I am just curious?”
Moe: Because it was a load of trouble and I had better things to do, like drinking more.”
Duh. Why didn’t I think of it?! I’m sure the young feminists in the audience were relieved to discover that encouraging prosecution of rapists is so, ugh, second wave. When hip girls get raped, they just go out and - what was it? “Drink more”.
And, of course, Tracie on why she’s been lucky enough not to have been raped:
” I think it has to do with the fact that I am like, smart”
“I don’t hang around with frat guys”
Wait. Wait, wait, wait. Did a woman who is considered a feminist just imply that women who have been raped have been so because they aren’t smart? So we can safely say that women at Harvard never get raped, right? They’re smart. Oh, you meant common sense? So women can avoid being raped by only hanging out with guy friends they’ve fully vetted and found to be trustworthy? Cause it ain’t like most rapes are perpetrated by people the victim knows. Nah.
You’d never hear me say that shit, no matter how long I stay at the bar.
(I’m not even touching the frat boy thing - that stereotype is old and tired.)
This wouldn’t be quite so tragic if these were just two random women having a drink over dinner somewhere. A pity, for sure, but not tragic. What’s tragic is that these two women have quite a following among the young feminist set. A girl who was in the audience writes about the train-wreck on her blog, but as soon as Tracie and Moe show up in the comments, she starts making excuses for their behavior. We shouldn’t be teaching young feminists to make excuses for people who say offensive shit like this - even “feminists” can be wrong sometimes, and it just makes for a stronger movement when we empower feminists to be able to call out non-feminist thought and action, even when it comes from someone we generally agree with.
This reminds me a lot of the book “Female Chauvinist Pigs”. Women, even “feminist” women, will go to great lengths to remind people that they’re hip, they’re “with it”, they “get it”. They can joke about serious things in a totally irreverent way - they’re one of the boys! And then, of course, they’ll eventually end up falling flat on their face, much the way that Tracie and Moe did here. There’s a difference between being edgy in a Kathleen Hanna kind of way versus a edgy “to prove that we can laugh at the patriarchy while remaining complicit” way. If that makes sense. I’m not sure it necessarily does, because we’re all, in some way, complicit.
Cause, let’s face it, just thinking you’re funny and bad ass doesn’t mean you’re automatically a feminist. It just means you like yourself. I’m pretty full of myself, but I would never assume that automatically makes me a feminist.
Some people think that the Great Wide Feminist Blogosphere is being too hard on Moe and Tracie. Maybe.
But I’d just like to leave you with this:
How much of a sex-positive, you-go-girl, “feminist” icon can you really be when you call transgendered people “it” in your blog?